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8 Replies Last post: Jul 31, 2008 3:12 PM by cusefan  
Click to view zwaldman89's profile College Fan 18 posts since
Apr 16, 2008

Jun 24, 2008 1:01 PM

One N Done...

SU Freshman Donte Greene was just one of 14 freshmen and 69 underclassmen in total to enlist early into this years' NBA Draft. The glitz and glamour that surely await Greene have always been well documented - the eight-figure contract, the sweet signing bonus, and the gaudy shoe endorsement all come to mind. But what about the programs Greene and the rest of the '08 draft class are leaving behind?

In 2006, the NBA adopted a 19-year-old age limit in its collective bargaining agreement with the players' association. The new rule was a preventative measure against high school players jumping directly to the NBA. The can of worms that the rule opened up somehow slipped past NBA Commissioner David Stern and NCAA president Myles Brand. The phenomenon of the "one-and-done" player is sweeping the college basketball landscape. Blue-chip recruits are increasingly using universities as one-stop showcases before they bolt for the bright lights and big money of the pros.

The days of following your favorite program develop into a national championship contender seem to be long gone. Guys like Greene are putting some schools in precarious situations. While they enjoyed temporary success this past season, NCAA tournament-caliber clubs like Indiana and Kansas State may be biting the bullet in '09 with B.M.O.C.s Eric Gordon and Michael Beasley being surefire lottery picks. When asked about the rule, ESPN.com Insider Mark Schlabach wrote, "I think the one-and-done rule has all but diminished the ‘team' concept of college basketball and turned the sport into a minor-league system for the NBA...Players need to stay in college for a minimum of two or three years or not enroll at all."


A majority of fans are in agreement. Television ratings for the NCAA title game have been sliding steadily during the modern era. This year's "dream match-up" between #1's Kansas and Memphis drew a 12.1 rating and 20% share - figures half as big as the 1979 championship game when Magic and Larry Legend laced ‘em up mano e mano. The numbers don't lie - fans wants to see well-known schools with established stars. Barring exceptions few and far between, the college game fails to offer that anymore.

Granted, the current age limit can usher in interesting one-year windows when a freshman class is chock full of elite talent. But the buzz generated by a handful of superstar froshes vanishes quickly when most of them are gone the following season. In the long run, I think the rule is hurting college basketball. And I would challenge any true fan to show me how it's helping the game. What do you guys think? Do changes need to be made? Stern is considering raising the limit to age 20 in the NBA's next collective bargaining agreement. Is that asking for too much? Or, I am completely jumping the gun to nix a rule that is too new to pass judgement on?

Click to view lloydbraun's profile Active Fan 54 posts since
May 30, 2008
1. Jun 24, 2008 12:24 PM in response to: zwaldman89
Re: One N Done...
There's just too many kids who don't want to go to college to force them to stay two or three years. They'll leave and go play overseas for a couple of seasons. Or they'll sign a marketing deal off of their fame in college and live off that until their ready to play in the NBA. Or the worst case scenario is the school will do their utmost to keep them eligible and circumvent what academia is supposed to be about. I understand that you don't want one and done, but once precedent is set that these kids have other options college won't have them for more than a year anyway if they get them at all.
Click to view Swiggs's profile College Fan 6 posts since
Jun 3, 2008
2. Jun 24, 2008 2:17 PM in response to: lloydbraun
Re: One N Done...

It really is a shame that a lot of players have this feeling that they need to take it to the next level when they really are not ready. Sure, players who leave such as Gordon from IU and Beasley from K-State are ready players who will make an immediate impact, but Donte Green will be less of a threat in the NBA than Hakim Warrick is, and he stayed at Syracuse for a full four seasons. Hakim Warrick is a fill in player, but a very well-rounded player overall. One thing he knows however, part of which makes him such a well rounded NBA player, is that he knows where he has the highest percentage of making shots from. Donte Green does not. He is a guard at heart but unfortunently for him he sits in a 6'11" frame. He is a power forward, and he needs to start learning that. Look at this Syracuse season this year. The games where Donte Green was jacking three's and just happened to be on, sure they looked good, but the men in orange had a lot higher of a winning percentage when he played the position he was supposed to. Power Forward. There weren't many players in the leauge that could contend with him down low because of his sheer size and elusiveness, but most forwards didn't have to worry about it because the scouting reports for Green indicated a high level of perimiter defense needed. He didn't drive to the hoop much, he just wanted to shoot. I feel that that is why he will not be successful at the next level quite yet.

Players like him need to stay the extra year at school to develop, to really find themselves and improve their game. Donte is not ready for farther 3 point lines, bigger and more tenacious defenders, and a 24 second shot clock. He also could have been part of a Syracuse team that could find themselves in the top 10 this year by season's end. Johnnie Flynn, the miraculous point guard and one of Syracuse's most prolific scoreres and well known names, is coming back along with Paul Harris, and Arinze Onkuaku who had a break out year. Also CUSE is getting Devendorf back from injury as well as Andy Rautins who is a natural shooter. Scoop Jardine also made himself a name this year and new recruite Mookie Jones is looking to shine. With Green in the mix, this could be your big east champ for this season, but without him in the mix they could be middle of the road again.

What has the game come to? Can any of them even say they have team loyalty? And can players like Green and Carmello call themselves Alum's when they only completed one season? It has to be a money thing, and it is sick that it has come to that. Being a basketball player myself I know the things that sat in the future for Green that only college could offer him. The tournament, a championship, national recognition? No, now he is going to sit on the bench and be a role player at best. I just do not understand it and I think that the NBA should really evaluate this kind of thing, and base it off of the players ability to play in their leauge. Donte Green is not ready for the NBA, the hard part is convinving him of that.

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Click to view bigbone's profile Active Fan 69 posts since
May 5, 2008
3. Jun 24, 2008 3:56 PM in response to: Swiggs
Re: One N Done...
But, isn't the bottom line just to get yourself drafted in the first round? The rest is up to what you make of your situation. You get two years of guaranteed money. If you're good enough and are willing to work for it, you'll get that second long term contract which will essentially give you a long stable career playing in the most financially rewarding basketball league in the world. If you don't get that long term deal because you weren't good enough to play in the NBA, you most certainly as a guy that was a 1st round pick will be able to parlay that into a career playing overseas for very good money.

So, Donte Green has done the first part of his job by becoming a first round pick. What happens from here is up to him. And it has nothing to do with College or playing in College.
Click to view Swiggs's profile College Fan 6 posts since
Jun 3, 2008
4. Jun 25, 2008 1:12 AM in response to: zwaldman89
Re: One N Done...

So what happened to the love of the
game? It has transformed and morphed into a morbid and vile love of the green.
Money blinds us and we forget what the sport really means, all we care about is
a paycheck. Sure the NBA is the most financial basketball league in the world,
but it is also a very frustrating place if you are not the best of the best. I
realize that the main goal in a lot of players lives is to be a top ten pick,
but Donte Green certainly will not. I do not even feel that Donte was the best
player on the Syracuse
team last year, much less one of the best in the country. Donte has a little
bit of a situation here, and he I feel personally has made the wrong decision.

The NBA as
you say can be a big booster to your bank account if you are good enough to
play there and you have the skills and ability to compete with the best, sure,
but Donte Green as I stated before is not good enough. So lets say he parlays
that into a overseas career. Now you are looking at a player that isn’t even
halfway developed to the point where he needs to be playing in the most
fundamentally sound league the in world. Believe it or not, the European’s
start a lot earlier than we do and pound the fundamentals of the game into the
ground from a young age. Why do you think they play so well in the Olympics?
Why are there so many Europeans in the NBA? The dudes can play. So, Donte Green
will not get the long term deal that you speak about, and if he goes overseas
he will be so far out of the loop that he will be less than a role player
there. What he needed to do was stay in school and develop his skills, so that
he could get that big contract after a few years and a possible national title.
So it has everything to do with playing in college because if he develops his
skills and becomes dominate on a national level than you will be ready to jump
to the next level and succeed. In the NBA and in overseas leagues a player as
undeveloped and immature from a basketball point of view will get lost in the
mix.

Basketball
is a competitive sport all around. The European leagues are not like the CFL or
the AFL in football, they are as good if not better than the NBA (speaking from
a fundamental and feel for the game in general point of view). They are not
like triple or double A in baseball where a player can be sent down if he isn’t
good enough and can still be ready and on a competitive level when he is called
upon. There is a huge jump in basketball from Semi-Pro to pro, and an even
bigger jump from College to pro if you are not a superstar. I do not see how it
has nothing to do with college or playing in college, when that big contract
you are talking about could be pretty much a guarantee even with one more year
under his college belt. The skills that he will learn will shape him and ready
him for a league beyond the horizon, and playing competitive ball with skilled teammates,
which he undoubtedly had at Cuse, will ready him for the next level. I feel
that Donte Green made a big mistake leaving college early, and he let his ego
get the in way of his ability. I can see him going first round simply because
of a shallow draft class, but I don’t see him playing. Expect to see Green’s
name on an Albany Patroon’s jersey in two years.

Click to view spenner28's profile Active Fan 78 posts since
Dec 5, 2007
5. Jul 28, 2008 11:15 AM in response to: Swiggs
Re: One N Done...
Dr Miles Brand the president of the NCAA said he preferred two years mandatory for college hoop players.

NCAA President Dr. Miles Brand said he likes there being a rule for high school basketball players having to at least attend one year of college before making the jump to the NBA. Though the NCAA has no say-so in that rule - it's governed by the NBA and its Players Union - Brand said he would like to extend it to two years. "The college basketball coaches are uncomfortable with it. They prefer not to have it because they want to be able to figure out who their team is going to be in the future, although some of them like particular players who come in," Brand said. "My own view is there is an advantage to the one-and-done rule that's not often recognized, and it's similar to the kind of issues you face in the football Play It Smart approach. Namely, if a young man understands that in order to be eligible for the NBA Draft, he's going to have to go to college for a year and that means he's got to be admitted to college and eligible for college and he can't blow off high school."

What Brand doesn't realize is that it's bad for NBA business to not let players who are ready to play enter the league. They've (the NBA) succumbed to the pressure, but they've gone as far as they can go with this one. Players will start doing what Brandon Jennings is doing and go to Europe. For anyone to suggest there isn't an international market place for high school players are crazy. Even if the kid only makes $100,000 a year that's more than the nothing he gets in college. I also don't like the myth that international basketball won't prepare kids for the NBA. In fact, it will prepare them a lot better as they will have to work on their all around games and not just be pigeonholed at one position.

To force a kid to go to college for two years when he doesn't want to be there is silly and hurting college and pro basketball.
Click to view Brad's profile Super Fan 140 posts since
Dec 11, 2007
6. Jul 28, 2008 8:13 PM in response to: zwaldman89
Re: One N Done...

Bobby Knight nailed it when he noted that having a player stay for one year doesn't do any good since the players don't have to really goto school. They need to slip by the first semester on some easy courses and then blow off the second semester if they plan on going pro. Two years seems like a better plan to me. Yes, a kid can goto Europe, but having kids in school for two years is better for them IMO.


Click to view John Lin's profile College Fan 1 posts since
Mar 31, 2008
7. Jul 30, 2008 2:47 PM in response to: Brad
Re: One N Done...
40 points in Summer League, enough said.
Click to view cusefan's profile Active Fan 83 posts since
Jan 4, 2008
8. Jul 31, 2008 3:12 PM in response to: John Lin
Re: One N Done...
I assume by 40 points you mean Donte Greene. Well, he's since been traded again, and it could end up being the best thing for him. He's on a young team in Sacramento and should get a chance to play a lot right away.